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The 10 Best Lines from David Chang & David Choe's DVDASA Podcast

Hillary Dixler Canavan is Eater's restaurant editor and the author of the publication's debut book, Eater: 100 Essential Restaurant Recipes From the Authority on Where to Eat and Why It Matters (Abrams, September 2023). Her work focuses on dining trends and the people changing the industry — and scouting the next hot restaurant you need to try on Eater's annual Best New Restaurant list.

Here's video from Momofuku chef David Chang's recent appearance on artist David Choe's podcast DVDASA. In the course of their nearly three-hour conversation, Chang and Choe discuss career struggles, unexpected success, creativity, and boredom. " Below are the top ten quotes and the video. Chang also talks about changes in the cooking field, saying that "overnight, cooking became white collar." Have a look:

1. Choe, on mistaken identities: "When I lived in New York, never in my life had I been more mistaken for another than David Chang. I'd walk down the street and people would be like 'Love your food!'"

2. Chang, on differences between now and when he first opened: "I think it's harder to create now than it ever was before."

3. Chang, on his time at Cafe Boulud: "It broke me down ... The intensity. Something happened in cooking. Overnight it became white collar. The level of cooking at Cafe Boulud was so high, and the craftsmanship and the integrity ... I was not doing well at Cafe Boulud. I worked my ass off, but I wasn't crushing it."

4. Chang, on the early days of Noodle Bar: "Nobody wanted to work for me. 2004 was a banner year for restaurants. I wouldn't have worked for myself. I just wasn't good enough."

5. Choe, on how Chang convinced him to talk at MAD: "'If you come out here and kill, you'll never have to pay for a meal at these restaurants for the rest of your life.' Which is true."

6. Choe, on knowledge and boredom: "I know what I can do now. I know how to paint ... In a way there is a boredom there because a lot of the magic is gone."

7. Chang, on ten years of Momofuku: "What I enjoy most now — I'm not even that old, but I feel like in dog years because of the 10 years of Momofuku — I want to see other people get what they want... It's what gets me out of bed."

8. Choe, on achieving his goals: "I don't understand moderation. I'm not the nice guy. I am the asshole."

9. Chang, on legacies: "It's not about a legacy. I think it's stupid to work towards a legacy since you're never going to read your own f*cking obituary."

10. Choe, on young artists: "When I see the young guy who's like 'Give me a chance, give me a chance' I'm like 'Fuck you, give yourself a chance.'"

Video: VDASA Episode 088 - David Chang

· DVDASA Episode 088 – David Chang [DVDASA]
· All David Chang Coverage on Eater [-E-]